11 best mac keyboards

• Magic Keyboard combines a sleek design with a built-in rechargeable battery and enhanced key features.
• With a stable scissor mechanism beneath each key, as well as optimized key travel and a low profile, Magic Keyboard provides a remarkably comfortable and precise typing experience.
• It pairs automatically with your Mac, so you can get to work right away.

User questions & answers

Question:	Works with a personal computer (with windows) not mac
Answer:	I was able to pair and use the keyboard with a Computer running Windows 8.1. So it should work.
Question:	Is it compatible with IPhone 6s Plus
Answer:	Yes, makes for a great iPhone companion.
Question:	Will this work on Windows via bluetooth? 2. Can I connect this via USB to Macs or PCs without bluetooth
Answer:	This works 100% on windows. Download a program called magic utilities on pc and it will unlock the top row of buttons as well. You have to pay $15 for this, but in my opinion is absolutely worth it. Especially if you switch between mac and pc at home.
Question:	Will this keyboard work if I connect it directly to my mac's usb port and disable bluetooth
Answer:	It sure will. That is how you charge the battery up also, but it will work like a usb keyboard.

• Completely wireless with Bluetooth(Rechargeable)【NOTE】Bluetooth Requirement of devices: Bluetooth 4.0 or above; System Requirement: MacOS 10.10 or Above. Please check before purchase.
• Function Across Three Devices - Realize quick and smooth switch between 3 devices effortless by pressing a single button.
• Fantastic for Apple User - Compatible with iMac, MacBook Pro/Air, iPhone, iPad with 16 specific Apple shortcuts.
• Aesthetic Elegant Look - A color scheme matches most Apple products.
• Scissor Mechanism Beneath Each Key - Allows for increased stability. Low profile provides a comfortable and precise typing experience.

User questions & answers

Question:	After working since i purchased in january, all of a sudden it won't pair up to my macbook pro no matter what i try. any solutions i am not aware of
Answer:	No this is just a garbage product. Mine won't pair with my Mac mini anymore.
Question:	followed the steps in the manual, i have a macbook with os 10.12, so why won’t it connect
Answer:	I have a macbook with 10.15.4 and it connects just fine for me. Maybe try connecting it with some other laptop to verify if the problem is with the keyboard.
Question:	Will this work with any PC
Answer:	It's a primarily a Mac keyboard, but it does work on Windows just fine.
Question:	how Do you turn off auto off? The keyboard keeps turning off by itself after like 1 min of un-use and it’s very difficult to use
Answer:	Dear Customer, I sincerely apologize that the item you received not working properly with the auto-sleep feature. For a defective item, we would offer a new replacement or make a full refund without the need to return the old one. To contact us, please go to: https://www.amazon.com/ss/help/contact/?marketplaceID=ATVPDKIKX0DER&sellerID=AKRZXEBXQ7996 Sorry again for all the inconvenience. Looking forward to your early reply. Thanks. Sincerely Meilihui Customer Service

Product features

Jelly Comb Multi-device Bluetooth Keyboard

The Bluetooth keyboard can connect 3 devices simultaneously and easy to switch . Super compatible with Mac OS/ iOS/ iPad OS, make it perfect for who often work with several Apple computers.

STABLE BLUETOOTH CONNECTION

With advanced Bluetooth technology, the wireless keyboard provide high accuracy and stable connection, which can pair with your Apple devices automatically.

DURABLE WIRELESS KEYBOARD

The wireless keyboard is built in scissor switch keystroke, which can withstand a whopping 3,000,000 presses. Besides, the ergonomic design reduces typing noise so you can enjoy quiet environment and improve work efficiency.

CONVENIENT SHORTCUTS

The keyboard features Hot keys Customized for Apple devices, Including Volume, Music Control, Brightness etc, making your time spent on your device highly productive.

RECHARGEABLE BATTERY

With a built-in long-lasting rechargeable battery, the Bluetooth keyboard delivers up to 2 weeks of use on a single charge. Auto-sleep feature reduces unnecessary energy usage.

CLASSIC LAYOUT WITH NUMERIC KEYPAD

Reasonable layout with numeric keypad makes typing easier and more comfortable than other keyboards, helping you to increase your efficiency and productivity.

ULTRA-SLIM DESIGN

Made of metallic material, this Bluetooth keyboard has ultra-slim design, make your work space tidy and convenient.

• 【Support 3 Devices Simultaneously】Connect up to three devices simultaneously and easily switch by pressing a single button.
• 【Illuminated LED Backlight】 With adjustable 3-level brightness backlit keys, the keyboard make it easy and comfortable typing in darkness. The backlit can be turned on and off.
• 【Perfect Stroke Keys】Larger key surface than normal computer keyboards, offers more fluid and ultra-precise typing.
• 【Super Mac-Compatible Keyboard】Fully Compatible with MacBook Pro/Air, iMac, iPhone, iPad Pro/Air/Mini. With an Apple specific layout, meeting Apple users' expectations.
• 【Long Battery Life& Auto Sleep】Built-in rechargeable battery, powering your keyboard for a long time, no need to change battery anymore. Auto-sleep design for saving power.

User questions & answers

Question:	Won't offer a pairing option for any of my devices
Answer:	You in Bluetooth setting under scan?
Question:	Will this work for a normal windows PC
Answer:	I don’t have a Bluetooth-equipped PC on the premises, but my guess would be yes. However, this manufacturer almost certainly offers a Windows-specific product: check the jellycomb website.
Question:	Is the keyboard flimsy, what material is it made out of? How many hours of use
Answer:	Keyboard is at least partially metallic, and feels quite sturdy. I don’t yet know how many hours it gets on a charge.
Question:	does this unit use a dongle to connect or only bluetooth connectivity
Answer:	The keyboard connects only via Bluetooth, and not via the included USB cable, which is used for charging only. If your computer has an older version of the Bluetooth “Link Management Protocol” (LMP)—earlier than 4.0—you will need to plug a dongle into an available USB port in order to pair this product to your machine, but this will not be an issue for computers manufactured within the last few years.

Product features

Adjustable 3-level Brightness

With low-mid-high adjustable brightness, , makes you keep normal typing on your laptop in different lighting conditions, without irritating eyes. The backlit can be turned off to save power.

Fantastic for Apple User

With an Apple key layout, including specific Apple shortcuts, helps you to simplify workflow and increase your efficiency.

Quick Switch to 3 Devices

Quick and easy switch between 3 devices effortless by clicking a single button, while keeping stable connection.

Quiet Scissor Switch Keys

Silent to press and rebound quickly, scissor switch keys offers smooth and responsive typing.

Full Size& Ultra-Slim Design

Full size design with numeric keypad, makes typing easier and more comfortable. Only 0.12 inch in the thinnest part, definitely a best choice for your busy desk.

Rechargeable Battery

The wireless keyboard can be easily recharged through USB C cable included. It will automatically enter the sleep mode after 30 minutes of inactivity for providing longer working time. Press any key to use the keyboard again.

Product description

Macally MKeyE is a stylish full-size USB keyboard aiming to provide Apple-like typing experience at a budget price. The Low profile tactile keys provides comfort and ease typing but also being responsive and punctual. The familiar Mac layout give all the keys you are used to, plus 15 shortcut keys for making your Mac life easier.



Specification

• Interface: USB 2.0

• Dimension: 17" x 6" x 1.5"

• Color: White



1-year Limited Warranty



MACALLY’s mission

We aim to provide computer peripheral products of superior quality and value exceeding customer’s expectation through excellence in design, manufacturing and service

• BUDGET APPLE KEYBOARD REPLACEMENT: With an affordable price & powerful features, it is the perfect alternative to any Mac keyboard or PC keyboard. You will have the ability to complete all tasks for a fraction of the cost.
• SIMPLE & EFFECTIVE: Designed with simplicity & quality in mind, our full sized wired keyboard is a reliable device that will allow you to complete your work efficiently with its 104 key layout & numeric keypad.
• EZ SHORTCUTS: Our USB keyboard was created to be easy to use. There are 15 Apple specific shortcut keys (Cut/Copy/Paste/Itunes/Volume/etc.) & Multimedia keys for Windows PC. This will allow you to quickly navigate & input commands.
• LOW PROFILE & QUIET KEYS: Whether you use it as a mac wired keyboard or PC desktop keyboard, it will look great due to its slim and compact body. Plus with quiet keys typing noise is kept to a minimum.
• PLUG & PLAY: That’s right, simply connect our corded keyboard to any laptop or computer with a usb port and start typing away; no drivers needed. Also batteries are not needed so you will never have to worry about changing them out.

Product features

Plug and Play Connection

No Drivers Required.

Your Preferred Keyboard Angle

Kickstand for your preferred typing experience.

Compatibility

- Mac OS X v10.6 and above including new macOS High Sierra.

- Windows 7/8/10 and above.

- Any desktop or notebook computer with an available USB port.

Other Products from Macally

The Macally QKEY is a USB keyboard with a standard layout and 104 full size, yet thin, keys for a comfortable and efficient typing experience. The additional shortcut keys and numeric keyboard further increase efficiency and productivity.

Other Products from Macally

The Macally XKEYHUB is a keyboard that aims to provide an Apple-like typing experience for a budget price.

Other Products from Macally

Ever tired of changing the batteries? If you said yes then this keyboard is your type! The SLIMKEYPRO almost have a feel of an Apple Keyboard.

Other Products from Macally

Want a keyboard that us slim with no batteries but also is almost an Apple Keyboard? The ACEKEY is for you! Wired and very nice to use.

Product description

Battery hassles are a thing of the past with the light-powered Logitech Wireless Solar Keyboard K750 for Mac.

• Solar-powered keyboard: No battery hassles—any light source keeps your keyboard charged for at least three months in total darkness
• Only 1/3-inch thick: Ultra-thin design adds sleek style to your workspace
• Familiar Mac layout: All the keys you're used to, plus a Launchpad hot key, are exactly where you expect them
• Feel-good typing: Logitech-only concave key cap design for faster, quieter, more comfortable typing. System Requirements - Mac OS X 10.5 or later,USB port,Light source from sunlight and/or indoor lighting
• Tiny Logitech Unifying receiver: Stays in your laptop and connects additional compatible wireless devices. Not Bluetooth compatible

Product features

Great typing—powered by light

Say goodbye to battery hassles. Any light source keeps K750 charged and ready. The sleek, streamlined designed looks beautiful with your Mac and the keys are designed for comfortable typing hour after hour.

System Requirements

• Mac OS X 10.5 or later
• USB port
• Light source from sunlight and/or indoor lighting

• Magic Keyboard with Numeric Keypad features an extended layout, with document navigation controls for quick scrolling and full-size arrow keys for gaming
• A scissor mechanism beneath each key allows for increased stability, while optimized key travel and a low profile provide a comfortable and precise typing experience.
• The numeric keypad is also great for spreadsheets and finance applications.

User questions & answers

Question:	are the keys the same as the keys on the macbook pro
Answer:	The newer MacBooks have a butterfly mechanism, which provides for very short travel and a firm feel, but which has had problems with dirt getting under the keys and incapacitating the keyboard. Apple may or may not have fixed this with a dirt barrier in the 2018 version. The magic keyboard has a scissor mechanism, which has proven to be reliable, and it has been reengineered for a shorter travel. It takes some getting used to, but I'm really getting to like it. Here's how Apple describes the mechanism: "A scissor mechanism beneath each key allows for increased stability, while optimized key travel and a low profile provide a comfortable and precise typing experience."
Question:	Can the magic keyboard and magic mouse be used at the same time with the same MacBook Pro
Answer:	Yes, you can pair multiple devices to host system. Just be aware that the more bluetooth devices you pair (especially older ones and new ones at the same time) the bluetooth can lag because it keeps switching the different bluetooth revisions. Normally it's not too bad but every once in a while it will freeze for a moment on my Mac (and in the tech logs it talks about bluetooth connectivity failed to connect, but it clears in a minute. If you have more than one computer or device where you would want to use the keyboard (such Apple TV) they can be paired with multiple devices but you must switch the input or turn bluetooth off (or disable the device) on the one you don't want to use the keyboard at present. This is only an issue if both the laptop & Mac are both turned on at the same time and within bluetooth range of each other.
Question:	Does this keyboard have a back light
Answer:	It does not have a back light.
Question:	is the keyboard Bluetooth
Answer:	Yes, but Bluetooth is not strictly mandatory. If you connect this keyboard's recharging cable through to a computer's USB port, the keyboard can still be used on a computer without Bluetooth (such as many Windows desktop PC's). That is also how the keyboard can still be used if the battery dies and needs recharging just before a work deadline. Note the included cable is relatively short, so a USB extension cable would be required for an enduring cable run going all the way behind a desk and down to a computer on the floor.

Product description

Our wired Keyboard is made of full aluminum alloy material and scissor structure keys enhance your typing experience

Our USB wired keyboard is compatible with Mac OS or Windows , Plug-n-Play function no need extra driver and software for laptops or desktop computers.

*Full Aluminum Alloy Frame

*Product size:17”x5”x0.3”

*Product weight: 1.1 lb

*Wired Cable Length:1.2M

*Scissor ABS Chocolate Keypad *Compatible With Windows/Mac OS

*USB Wired Port Connection

*107 Function Keys

• Aluminum Alloy Housing
• 17” Keyboard with low profile keys
• Full Size Keyboard with Numeric Keypad
• 12 Apple shortcuts
• Compatible to Apple Mac OS

User questions & answers

Question:	Does the caps lock light
Answer:	Yes, there is a green light when caps locked.
Question:	Is this backlit
Answer:	No.
Question:	Is it quiet or does it make a clicking noise when typing
Answer:	Each key gives you a sound but it is very quiet. Only the typist would hear it.
Question:	Is there a port to plug in a mouse
Answer:	No ports on this keyboard

• ☞【Support 3 Devices Simultaneously】This Bluetooth keyboard supports up to three devices simultaneously and easily switch between them. (Bluetooth 4.0 and above)
• ☞【Mac-Compatible Keyboard】Work with all Bluetooth devices with iOS or Mac OS system, including MacBook Pro/Air, iMac, iPhone, iPad Pro/Air/Mini, meeting Apple users' expectations.
• ☞【Ultra-Slim Design】Made of durable material, this Bluetooth keyboard has ultra-slim design, the thinnest part is just 0.16 inch. And with a stable scissor mechanism beneath each key, as well as a low profile, it provides a remarkably comfortable and precise typing experience.
• ☞【Long Connection Distance】Advanced Bluetooth technology provides a cable-free, clutter-free and stable connection, long operating distance, about 8m (26ft).
• ☞【Rechargeable Battery】With built-in lithium battery, this wireless bluetooth keyboard can be easily recharged through USB cable, no need to change the battery. If you have any problem, you can feel free to contact us.

User questions & answers

Question:	Where can I buy a replacement cover for this keyboard now that the one that came with it has developed holes
Answer:	The plastic covers for MacBook Pro brings a keyboard protection that is the same size.
Question:	Is this keyboard backlit
Answer:	No the keyboard is not backlit.
Question:	What version of Bluetooth is this? Bluetooth 5 is not backwards compatable. This is critical information and should be listed up front
Answer:	I don’t know but I have a brand new Air I bought in February and it works solidly together.
Question:	On the description it says it works for ipad pro, but now i receive the keyboard and it says is for mac os
Answer:	Simply turn on the keyboard and go to setting screen on your iPad Pro and allow access for the jelly

Product features

Jelly Comb Rechargeable Bluetooth Keyboard for Mac OS

This bluetooth keyboard can support 3 devices simultaneously and easy to switch. Perfect for those who often work with several computers. Rechargeable battery enables longer operation time and more convenience.

Specification

Operating System: Mac OS, iOS

Standby Time: 200 Hours

Continuous Working Time: 50 Hours

Working Distance: Up to 26ft (8m)

Wake Up: Click any key

Dimension: 14.41*4.92*0.64 in

Compatibility

This Bluetooth keyboard is deaigned for Mac OS and iOS system.

Quick Switch

Easy to swith between 3 devices via BT1/BT2/BT/3 without any interference or disconnection. No need to restart pairing process, it's convenient and time-saving.

Rechargeable Battery

Built-in 280mAh rechargeable Li-ion battery, this rechargeable keyboard provides longer working time. No need to change battery, it's more environmental friendly.

Ultra-Slim Design

Made of durable aluminum material, this Bluetooth keyboard has ultra-slim design, the thinnest part is just 0.16 inch.

Scissor Switch Keys

Scissor switch keys construction beneath every key enables nice typing. And quiet clicking design allows you to more focus on your work and will not bother colleagues and family.

Indicator Light

1. Charging Indicator

2. Caps Lock Indicator

3. Bluetooth Channel 1 Indicator

4. Bluetooth Channel 2 Indicator

5. Bluetooth Channel 3 Indicator

6. Power Switch

7. Micro USB Charging Port

Product description

The Logitech® K380 Multi-Device Bluetooth® keyboard for Mac makes any space minimalist, modern, and multi-device, letting you type on youriPhone, iPad, MacBook, iMac * Connect with up to three Bluetooth-enabled devices simultaneously and switch instantly between them. The K380 Multi-Device for Mac is compact and lightweight. You can type on the device of your choice—anywhere.

It automatically detects your device, maps keys, and provides a familiar typing experience with all your favorite iOS shortcuts. So you can own your space on any Apple device, anywhere.

Two years of battery life** virtually eliminates power concerns. You may even forget the keyboard needs batteries!

* Bluetooth-enabled devices that support external keyboards

** Battery life may vary based on user and computing conditions.

• WORK FROM ANYWHERE: This slim Bluetooth keyboard for Mac works with your MacBook, iPad, or iPhone -with a lightweight, minimalist iOS layout that lets you multitask at home or on the go
• TYPE ON ANYTHING: this iOS keyboard connects to all Bluetooth wireless devices with external keyboard support. With an Apple specific layout for macOS, iOS, and iPadOS
• EASY-SWITCH & TYPE: Pair with up to three devices— and switch between them with a tap. So you can type on the iPad, switch to your Macbook, and keep on typing
• COMFORTABLE LAPTOP-STYLE TYPING: the compact keyboard footprint allows for less arm reaching and better body posture. Scooped, low-profile scissor keys offer a fluid, quiet, familiar laptop-like typing
• WORRY-FREE 2-YEAR BATTERY LIFE: Two years, two AAA alkaline batteries—pre-installed. With automated power-saving technology and on/off button

User questions & answers

Question:	Can this work for my daughters iPad 6th generation if so do I need a usb cord
Answer:	It’s very easy to assemble and use I absolutely love this device must buy for kids no usb needed it’s completely wireless with Bluetooth.
Question:	Does it work with the iPad mini
Answer:	Yes. My husband has ipad mini 5 and he borrows my keyboard sometimes
Question:	Does this keyboard work on windows
Answer:	Yes, I bought one and it works with both Windows and MAC. The only thing I still did not realize how to do with it yet is do a Control-Alt-Del command. Everything else is working pretty well in windows.
Question:	Can someone tell me how to add more devices
Answer:	The three buttons on the upper right (the ones that are in a different color, those are your quick switch) to add more devices, press and hold one of the three keys until the light flashes and connect it with your device

Product features

Type. Easy-Switch. Type.

Connect up to three devices and switch between them with a tap. So you can type, switch, and keep on typing.

Slim & Beautiful

New colors, new you. Own your space with a keyboard that matches your favorite accessories. Your desk setup is now a design statement.

Your Space. Anywhere.

The slim, lightweight Bluetooth keyboard is easy to carry so you can multitask at home, on the go, or at your favorite cafe.

Type on Any Apple Device

K380 Multi-Device for Mac connects to all Bluetooth wireless devices with external keyboards support, so you can work seamlessly with macOS, iOS and iPadOS.

Built by Logitech

Every Logitech product is built with the high-quality standards that have made Logitech the global leader for mice and keyboards.

Minimalist Layout

The small footprint lets you place your mouse closer for more comfort, and better body posture. The tight design fits in your bag.

Comfortable Laptop-Style Typing

The sculpted, rounded keys match the shape of your fingertips, for a fluid, quiet and familiar typing experience.

2-Year Battery Life

With two pre-installed AAA alkaline batteries, auto-sleep technology, an on/off button and a battery indicator light.

Complete Your Setup with Logitech Pebble Mouse

Ultra-portable and silent mouse with Bluetooth and USB receiver. Ideal for on-the-go productivity.

Modern, Slim And Beautiful

Logitech Pebble M350's minimalist design fits your curated lifestyle and accents your desk setup.

Product description

The ultra-slim Jelly Comb Rechargeable Bluetooth Keyboard for Mac OS/ iOS is perfect for home or office working. It's easy to connect the keyboard to your computer or laptop.

How to Use:

1.Turn on the power switch.

2.Press the [connect] button, the keyboard is now ready to be connect to your device. Bluetooth Channel indicator light will be on after successfully connection.

Specification:

Battery: Built-in 180mAh rechargeable lithium battery

Compatible Systems: Mac OS/ iOS

Key Life: 5 Million strokes

Working Range: Within 10 meters (33ft)

Color: White and silver

Dimensions: 368*122*13mm (14.49*4.8*0.51)

• 【Mac-Compatible keyboard】Fully compatible with MacBook, MacBook Air, Macbook Pro, iMac, and iMac Pro, meeting Apple users' expectations.
• 【Bluetooth Connection】It's easy to set and connect to Mac devices. Automatically connects to your last-connected device.
• 【Slim Design】With compact look, this wireless keyboard is portable and light. Ergonomic design helps reduce hand fatigue.
• 【Precise Light-Touch Typing】Silicone Non-slip pad backside and low-profile silent keys improve typing experience. Scissor design beneath each key allows for increased stability.
• 【Rechargeable Battery】The Built-in Rechargeable battery is incredibly long-lasting, powering your keyboard for a long time. If you have any problem, you can feel free to contact us.(Charger is NOT included)

User questions & answers

Question:	Is there a key to disable the “insert” function
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Question:	Would it be compatible with a IPad Air
Answer:	Yes, it is!
Question:	How do you turn off the auto-sleep mode? I keep typing like normal but the first bit of what I type is always missing and I waste time retyping it
Answer:	Back button
Question:	can this work for PC/Windows
Answer:	Yes, it will work with a Windows PC, but it's missing the "Windows" labeled button to the left of the spacebar. Actually it's missing both the WINDOWS and ALT keys, which are replaced with the Macintosh OPTION and COMMAND buttons. So unless you want to fiddle around with key-mapping software to try to duplicate the Windows and ALT keys, I'd look for a keyboard that's actually designed for Windows.

• 【All In One Keyboard】The Bluetooth keyboard built in a touch pad,replacing the mouse to provide accurate cursor control,allowing smooth and sensitive operation of gestures.
• 【Easy Switch Between 3 Devices】This wireless keyboard supports up to 3 devices simultaneously and can easy switch between them by click one botton. (Bluetooth 4.0 or above)
• 【Customized for Apple Users】Widely compatible with iOS /Mac OS/ipad OS system,support MacBook Pro/Air, iMac, iPhone, iPad Pro/Air/Mini.With 10 Apple specific shortcuts, more meet the habits of Apple users.
• 【Silent Scissor Structure Key】The keyboard adopts scissors structure,it has stronger stability,provide a quick and precise typing experience.Silent and comfortable input keeps you away from noise.Perfect for long time work.
• 【Ultra-Slim Design】The thinnest part is only 0.16 inches.The built-in metal weight block makes the keyboard more stable. Advanced Bluetooth technology supports 26 ft long-distance operation.Our customer service quick response within 48 hours.

Product features

Multi-device Bluetooth Keyboard with Touchpad

Jelly Comb keyboard is equipped with a touchpad, provide accurate cursor control,make smooth and sensitive operation of gestures.

Stable Wireless Bluetooth Connection

Adopting advanced chip to provide stable and smooth Bluetooth connection.Special scissor keyboard effectively reduces noise.

Easy Switch Between 3 Devices

This wireless keyboard supports up to 3 devices simultaneously and can easy switch between them by click one botton.

Come with Touchad

The Bluetooth keyboard built in a touch pad,replacing the mouse to provide accurate cursor control,making smooth and sensitive operation of gestures.

Auto Sleep Design

When not used for more than 30 minutes, the keyboard will automatically enter sleep mode, which is energy-saving.

Long Distance Control

This Bluetooth wireless keyboard can be used within a range of 26ft (8m), so you can work comfortably on the sofa.

Scissor Mechanism Beneath

The scissor structure keyboard rebounds quickly, effectively avoids input delay, and is more durable.